The Renaissance Reflections: Conversations with Juda$ | Episode 1 - The Omnipotent Mod Stoney

The Renaissance Reflections: Conversations with Juda$ | Episode 1 - The Omnipotent Mod Stoney 🏃🏾‍♂️💨

In this exclusive interview, we sit down with the omnipotent Mod Stoney, a genre-bending artist who’s redefining the music landscape! Join us as we delve into his unique perspective on success, the fascinating origin of his iconic ad-lib “I need ammo,” and the creative process behind his hit songs. 🎤✨

What to expect in this episode:

🌟 Insights into Mod Stoney’s journey and artistic vision
🌟 The story behind of how discovered and created his legendary ad-lib that fans can’t get enough of
🌟 The power of being unique and relishing in your individuality as an artist and person
🌟The importance of identifying fear and coaching it out 

Don’t miss this enlightening conversation! Like, comment, and subscribe for more inspiring content, and let us know your thoughts on Mod Stoney’s journey in the comments below!

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Chapters

• 0:00 Matt Stoney's Opening Message
• 1:36 Introduction to Matt Stoney's Multifaceted Journey
• 4:15 The Origin of the Name "Mad Stoney"
• 8:55 Finding Success Through Natural Talent
• 14:10 Personal Development and Self-Awareness
• 22:38 Creating a Unique Sound in Caribbean Music
• 29:14 The Impact of "How You Mean"
• 35:50 Facing Fears and Building Mental Fortitude
• 43:17 Creative Process and Hit-Making
• 58:37 Pivoting to Modeling and Crossing Industries
• 1:10:44 Performance Philosophy and Final Message

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

And the final question I'd love to ask is if people are only gonna see this last clip like this is all they're gonna see. Where's one message you would have?

Speaker 2: 0:08

for the people. One message I would have to the people. If this is my last clip they're seeing, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch. I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch. I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch, I'm a bad bitch. Never pop a pill.

Speaker 2: 0:42

Man, naturally active, pretty little kitty, but your attitude toxic. Golden rule in the room do not spit, spit your pussy on me. Cockpit. Number one out of ten Topics silent killer, operate with tactics. Come on my yard, let me do gymnastics. Don't want leave. That's a new brand captive, new brand pussy. But same old mattress, new brand movie, same old acting. New name for them is Captain Cappin' Always talk, but nothing ain't happenin'. Now, way back on road, I lap in them what you know about VI badness Outside there, you with the dog, then you actin'. Bad bitch, wanna fuck with a man from St Kitts? Say we too real, no, actin'. Don't link with the Trini and the Yadis them GT, GT, done know. So we locked in bad B. Wanna fuck with the island G and God ain't no shame capping Walla na man from SK to Trinibad? Yeah, sliding them in the field like Deki, yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1: 1:36

I like it about to kick this off. Greetings and welcome to the Renaissance Reflections Chamber man, also known as the Double Eye Chambers. You're tuning in for an episode of the Renaissance Reflections Chamber man, also known as the Double Eye Chambers. You're tuning in for an episode of the Renaissance Reflections Conversations with Judas, where I meet with exceptional individuals and take a stroll down memory lane to their journey to success, to get a better understanding of their start, where they're at now, what they plan to do in the future, and just to see how we could benefit from their backstory and get a better understanding of ourselves as well.

Speaker 1: 2:01

Right now I'm in Stupendous Company man. This guy is extremely multifaceted. You could call him a rapper, you could call him a soaker artist, you could call him a model, but I think a term that's fitting for someone of his caliber is just a multifaceted, creative man just on a journey to just impact the people, take his life to the next level, inspire you to take your life to the next level and next level and just continue trotting and self-actualization man, like that's the goal.

Speaker 2: 2:31

You know, I'm saying, and I'm joined tonight with none other than the great mad stoney how you feeling, bro, first and foremost, what an intro. Yeah, that that might got end up on a project and turn to your question. I'm feeling marvelous. I'm great judas man. It's a pleasure to have you. Can I address you as judas and I don't know if your audience knows about Damaniko. Yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely.

Speaker 1: 2:47

This is a conversational space, man, and I feel like I'm bringing my full creative self. So that's why it's the Esketuanga. You know what I mean. Because I want to make it comfortable. I want to create a safe space where we could come share with stories, man, because I know you have a phenomenal story, but, like I was telling you earlier that people know the music but we don't necessarily know the person behind the music, and I think it's extremely important for us to understand the type of individual that you are, because we don't want it to be a situation where the message or the idea is going over people's heads. So I want to give you an opportunity to shed some light on the magnificent individual that is Matt Stoney. So I think I'm going to kick this off with just that gone. Information starting real basic for someone that does not know who Matt Stoney is. How would you describe Matt Stoney to them?

Speaker 2: 3:34

Well, first and foremost I want to big up everybody who tuned in to the Renaissance podcast. Thank you for having me. My name is Matt Stoney. For those of you who don't know me out there, matt Stoney is a plethora of things or words I can use to describe myself. Some would say, when it comes to the musical sense, I've seen in St Kitts that he's like a kind of mythical kind of figure, like an omnipotent one, so to speak, in just the way how I navigate through the space. Matt Stoney is a very multifaceted, genre-bending recording artist from the Astier Newton Sink.

Speaker 1: 4:08

I like that you're being modest about that, you know, Because I think you could do a bit more, but I love that man. I definitely love that. Where does the name Mad Stoney come from? What's the story behind?

Speaker 2: 4:18

that Funny enough, like MAD that's the acronym, that's the initials for my government name, masood or david, so that where the mud come from is actually my name and stoney derived from, uh, I would say lifestyle. You know, I have a friend, a female friend, by the name of moyo, from tabernacle. We had a little circle car on point so we used to go out a lot and one time actually we used to go fat tuesdays we spoke about that earlier in the good old days. Yeah, I ain't really the best drinker like that. I had to get woohoo quick. So one time I get kind of lit and she was like oh, mr Stone, mr Stoney.

Speaker 2: 4:55

You know you're just freaking, and I just actually like, at the time I was like fishing for like artist name. And one thing I knew at that time I need a two-part name because I was heavily consuming a lot of wiz khalifa music and so on. I was a fan of wiz khalifa, like in college days, school days, so just the name like wiz khalifa, he just sound dope, you feel me. So I had mud, but he just sound like mud. Mud could be so much things. He could be an admin, you know. I needed something that stand out. So then I remember when the name, like you know, maya bestowed upon me resonated and when she said stone stoney, play with it. And I was like mad stoney. And then I googled it, put it into google and it was original. And when something is original I mean unique, one of a kind. So that's why I got the name. I dubbed myself with the title mad stoney. That's how I chose my name mad stoney oh, failure, failure.

Speaker 1: 5:46

That's an interesting story, man. What I noticed, too, is you never know what the thing is gonna be. That's gonna stick.

Speaker 2: 5:50

You know I'm saying what's gonna speak to you and if you're paying, attention.

Speaker 1: 5:53

You could definitely find a lot man, so that's definitely dope. And staying on the name of mad stoney, you mentioned your government name earlier. Yeah, masood, yeah, and I tell you I was to ask you this Is Matt Stone and Masood the same person, or they're different?

Speaker 2: 6:06

Well before. I used to fight and say they're the same person. But over the years I've come to a realization that Matt Stone is completely different from Masood and I'm fine and I'm in the space now where I could accept that, because right now I feel like you're talking to Masood. Right now I respect you enough to, like you know, have a dialogue with you. As Masood, you feel me definitely. People don't really get to see the man behind the artists. I hear from the man behind the artists is like I remove the mask right now nah, and I appreciate that that's what we want.

Speaker 1: 6:36

You know what I mean? Because Masood is what built Mad St foundation is important, correct, yeah, so we're definitely just trying to understand that perspective, man, and you say you're full enough skill that you could have been a baller, could have been a lot of things, but not an informal. Yeah, so because you're so multifaceted, why is it that you choose the music out of all the things that you could have done?

Speaker 2: 6:56

Honestly for one. I feel like that was our gifted hat, like I don't have to try. Effortless, effortless, like working up saying salt base sprinkler yeah, it's just like effortless same type of energy.

Speaker 2: 7:14

Yeah. So it's like I don't not saying that I don't put in like the hours to perfect my craft and my skills, but it just come natural. Even when I'm doing that, like training and practicing or whatever, like you know, when I'm in that element you just don't feel like I work in because it's something you enjoy. Yeah, I just enjoy doing it, whereas, like we said earlier, you preferred playing tennis over other sports because you know, if you mess up, it on you for sure, no music. If I mess up, one could say you could blame this person, that person, but I feel like it's on me because I have to ensure and make sure that everything got the way I want it to go. Facts, you understand. So we are as, let's say, with cricket, football, basketball you know all these team sport now. You lose as a team and you win as a team. So, fact, you feel as a team and you win as a team. So you feel me. And also imagine if, like you, is the man that take the final penalty and you miss that penalty.

Speaker 1: 8:10

It's a lot of pressure, man A lot of pressure.

Speaker 2: 8:12

You feel me, so you know. I just feel like the artist role was just the more comforting thing for me and I always said like everything I said like I would have did it.

Speaker 1: 8:26

You feel me respectfully since high school, like yeah facts, use a fortune.

Speaker 2: 8:28

Tell us and listen to what you say. It's up to you. I know what you're saying and I know you're gonna manifest what you're saying. You're checking my time and my speak and my speed is my speed and your speed is yours. Shout out to two man keeping it true you say you decided on the music.

Speaker 1: 8:43

I think the best way to frame this is you decided to pursue the music. Do you remember, remember the time when it was like yo this thing working, I could see the fruits of my labor, because a lot of the times you gotta plant seeds and water them and wait for them to grow?

Speaker 2: 8:54

right and that tech.

Speaker 1: 8:55

It take vision, but you also take consistency and determination to get to where you're trying to go. Do you remember that time when you decided like yo this is it, it's happening motion yeah, actually do.

Speaker 2: 9:04

Like you see, when you plan out um your moves, it kind of easy somewhat to see what going on around you because, like I said, since I in high school in washi, big up washi, wildcats best school in the world understand me really kill, feel always love at the end of the day, but wildcats is wildcats. You don't know. My time of being a wildcat we were mapping up everything Golden era, golden era, washi, you feel me. So that's why I got a kind of sense of arrogance and tone right now, because all we used to do was win, you feel me.

Speaker 2: 9:34

But nevertheless since in class I used to drum and this and freestyle with my friends and stuff like that and I can remember one time, miss Watley we got Miss Watley Actually, that's Infamous' sister, legendary Infamous.

Speaker 1: 9:47

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 9:49

That's his sister. She actually was one of my teachers and I can remember one time she asked, like you know where you want to be? And I said, like I'm going to be a recording artist and perform on big shows, do M-Fest and so on things.

Speaker 2: 10:01

And maybe I might not use the word MFest at the time. Yeah, but I pretty much said like I'll be doing what I'm doing now, just watching Some of me peers them some laugh. You know how we go. You're just chatting, you know how we go, yeah, but I know what it was about. I've been studying the game.

Speaker 1: 10:18

Nah, I feel that and the reason why I'm you that to us, because I remember shanta telling me one time yeah, man, since he was in school, yeah, man said, yeah, I'm gonna be an artist. He just went and did that. Yeah, and I asked you earlier about that confidence and that conviction that you have about your vision and what you want to do, where you see yourself going and you own that enough to vocalize it, because people would have aspirations but they don't vocalize the aspirations. They tend to hold on to the aspirations right to their self. And you're very open. So where does that confidence come from? In just in your ability to get things done I feel like you just gotta believe.

Speaker 2: 10:51

I mean, it's a cliche to say that, but the confidence come from like, maybe like just having a religious background too. Also, once you, you come from certain background and you really believe in whatever, like god, god, you're the pretty one, you believe in the word and you apply the word to your life. It may not be the same, so my belief comes from, maybe, my spiritual background and I know like the tongue is a strong tool.

Speaker 2: 11:17

Yeah no doubt and I believe in manifestation and like positive energy. So I find that that works a lot for me and I'm very like enclosed in a bubble, yeah, where I don't really like my energy really to be tampered with by any and everybody, because sometimes every interaction people plant seeds you feel me, whether it's positive or negative but you got to be aware, to realize and be in tune with yourself to understand what's going on.

Speaker 1: 11:43

That's take a certain level of self-awareness where you think that self-awareness come from spending time with myself. Yeah, I feel like spending time with myself a lot and you're actually kicking more like when I migrated to like New York yeah, I just wanted to talk briefly about what the transition was like for you moving out there, from saying kids, I call it gold, because like yeah, yeah, you know your safe space, nobody can touch you.

Speaker 2: 12:07

Of course you can't catch you.

Speaker 1: 12:08

So could you talk a little bit about what the transition was like for you after you know leaving saying kids because you've done?

Speaker 2: 12:14

it was at the peak when you left saying kids well, it was always a part of the plan still, because if you listen to, I have a track called Run to the Money and a collab project called the new SK featuring Abidameo at the time and I had a line say you come like the one, we go New York and come back like foreign, you understand, yeah. So I always had the foresight I like everything was going on.

Speaker 2: 12:39

I was like, okay, maybe I underappreciate it now, so maybe you're going to miss me a little bit to really start to realize what I was like okay, maybe, I underappreciate it now, so maybe you're going to miss me a little bit to really start to realize what I was adding to the scene or what the scene probably missing when I'm not around. Yeah, and personally I just wanted some personal development in my personal life also, matt Stoney aside. Yeah, I just wanted to develop like Massoud as its own individual, powerful, powerful stuff man. Yeah, because Massoud can't show on my stone. So my mental state and my personal development is imperative to the outcome of anything that I set out myself to pursue or accomplish.

Speaker 1: 13:14

So you spoke about personal development, right, and I was asking what steps do you take on a consistent basis to ensure that, when I go forward, I'm getting better every year, not just as an artist, but also as a?

Speaker 2: 13:26

person. Well, I, I would say I I receive a lot of information. Yeah, so it's multiple sources that I turn to to assist with personal development, because you're all about the information you're putting in. You understand, if you're putting good information, you're gonna put out good information if you definitely so, I feel like you're gonna good information.

Speaker 2: 13:44

You're going to put out good information you feel me definitely so I feel like I ain't going to say I don't read a lot like enough, but I do read, you know, consume a lot of audio content, a lot of podcasts. You know different conversations with, like, different demographic, different people from different walks of life, different age range and fun fact growing up. Different age range and Fun fact Growing up, I always been the youngest In like my friend circle.

Speaker 1: 14:05

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 14:06

So I just Mature faster Than most like my peers Cause Things like Maybe like the average 14 year old, 15 year old Was doing, he was doing, he was on some Other shit Lifestyle. Yeah, so because my peers them was always Older than me so you know, I like I grew up real fast and you essentially turn yourself into a sponge and just soak up information correct and I like to learn from other people's mistake.

Speaker 1: 14:34

Okay, making my own so how do you continuously take the chances? To do the things when you don't have the experience? I think that's what I should have asked. How do you say hey, I'm gonna take this step and do this thing? And I give you an example where you started out rapping Okay, rap is what you do. And you decide yo, I'm going to do a little soco just for the culture. Let me try this thing, let me be versatile and do this thing.

Speaker 1: 14:59

You take that chance and do you think it is for you to continuously take those leaps? I think that's what I really want okay, well, I could answer that.

Speaker 2: 15:05

um, it tied back in to the first question. Well, if not the first. You asked me a question. One word to describe much stony? Yes, and I I stated multifaceted, yes, no, multifaceted, versatile all those words is in the same family. Yeah, so I would have to be versatile to be multifaceted. Of course. Course you understand. So now I'm able to fit in into different niches, because I also stated that I'm a genre bending artist and for those of you who don't know like the inception of Madstonia actually was in like a soaker band, so we'd like call connection band with me. Brandon, the ASAP band, wes we used to found the drum for Small Axe, seiko Vern, who used to be the keyboard man for Collision. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't do it, don't do it boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't do it, don't do it boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we had a band. So now that we had the soca element fun fact the soca element was developed before the hip hop element- Wow.

Speaker 1: 16:01

And then you just decided rap is what I'm going to do, because that's what I enjoy.

Speaker 2: 16:04

Yeah, because rap was lifestyle and not only that, it kind of was like the genre. We needed a face in the sense like I feel like we had like multiple dance hall artists, yeah, but we didn't really have a lot of hip-hop artists. You know, we had a few before me like big up, smi, oh, yeah you understand big up like the embassy, yeah, you understand big up like who has he do it, like I'm a juvenile, like dago oh yeah, I understand early pioneers in that space.

Speaker 2: 16:34

Eazy B, eazy B doing a shout out? I don't know Eazy B, I'm not gonna let you. Brenton Osborne, okay, eazy B used to do music Back in the day, you understand. So that's a gem For those of you who don't know that you feel me, yeah, so Shout out, eazy B. But that just goes to show you how much of a student I am. I was to the scene, to the game at the time. Before I even entered. I had to observe and see who was doing it before me, you understand, and see what can I add, what can I do different, uh, what can I bring different to the scene? So I really study the scene beforehand and then say, okay, I know how to approach it.

Speaker 1: 17:14

My inception gonna be wicked, yeah and how do you decide on what you're gonna do from what you're not gonna do?

Speaker 2: 17:22

because I feel like that's also an important thing when it comes to just being creative well that come from like peer grooming, like my peers being groomed by like my peers in the sense of what I mean by that is like I grew up around, like serious individuals. We as ain't really like. No, yes, man, energy and you know, rip to toy toy. One for you feel like lala for you feel them is people who like see the talent before, like the world, because I always used to be on them and landing, freestyling and so, and then one day, toy, you know, we don't call him chic man, chic man. I was like I'm mad. He can be a landing single for the rest of your life. Take it to the world like, take it to them like you're nice, like in his words, you're better than these, man, you know, you know you know nothing. Man, we feel like we're better. Today you can't be there come on, yeah, so that was the energy like I gained.

Speaker 2: 18:13

And one advice he gave to me was like watch, watch, keep it authentic and be you, be true to yourself and don't talk about things you ain't have. Talk about what you want and talk about your aspirations. Wow. So from early on he gave me that gem and that's always been like my family, you feel me. So that's why my music might be so relatable, even though in a cultural genre, accepted genre based on culture, at least the way how I present it. You know it's palatable and some people actually could digest it.

Speaker 1: 18:44

Powerful, powerful stuff, man, and how you continue to stay motivated when things get challenging, especially as an artist just starting out in the early stages. If you could see early Matt Stoney when he decided to take it from the landing to the world, like where's one piece of advice you would give to Matt Stoney at that point, before he start the journey um, don't be so raw but that's how we are authentic, that's what, that's how the people are.

Speaker 2: 19:10

Yeah, but you know, like when you understand the business, I mean I feel like I was too raw, like real raw, and maybe it worked to my advantage too, eh yeah, but like I say, you said in hindsight, which is the greatest gift to man 2020. 2020. You understand, I would go back and probably like be a little bit more polished, because if I had a little bit more polished approach I would have opened myself to a wider demographic and not just maybe like a niche audience.

Speaker 1: 19:40

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:40

I'd have probably go for maybe the more household route.

Speaker 1: 19:43

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:44

Yeah, that's the advice I would give to like my younger self.

Speaker 1: 19:47

And how you think the transition to New York informed the music for you, oh.

Speaker 2: 19:50

I just have. There's a lot more to talk about, like I seen a lot more, you know, bigger perspective, bigger buildings, a melting pot of different cultures, different people. It's just like, oh yeah, everything just more. It's just gargantuan Everything, just just you just a 6'5". I feel like it fit me, like it's like a lot more tall people now.

Speaker 1: 20:17

Yeah, so you don't even feel as tall.

Speaker 2: 20:19

I don't even feel as tall, no more. It's like it's just yes, I feel like it's just a lot of different. You know, like I said, not to stray, like different experiences in life, different accomplishments, different failures, failures. You know. So it helped a lot. It helped develop like mudstone a lot, whereas perspective I could paint a picture in different perspectives now, where I feel like I could speak a language that catered to like different walks of people, because I like soak up so much different cultures and you just mentioned failure, right yeah.

Speaker 1: 20:55

How do you reinforce your mental fortitude to deal with setbacks?

Speaker 2: 20:58

To be honest, like, growing up I liked anime and it's a debate between if I like Dragon Ball Z or Naruto more. Still ain't decided yet, but you know, naruto being the main protagonist, like he was somewhat considered like a failure, coming up and then look at what he turned out to be. You feel me so, like my mental fortitude also like come from evil. Like watching anime, sometimes we leave it hard, not like you know, like, but I'm gonna be rough, but the main protagonist don't get it easy, yeah, yeah, and I am the main protagonist of my movie and my show. So, no matter what, I have to find the strength, you know, to always bounce back. Man, if I probably answer the question of how are we are finding it from, but because of my mindset, the mindset kind of like iron out all those things, whereas I work on the mindset so much because, like it's like mixed with like a sporting mindset, yeah, so I feel like I always gonna bounce back. I see like, okay, if you lose this match, okay, you gonna get the three points next week. You feel me Like you just gotta always be willing to get the three points. Next time You're gonna get all the three points.

Speaker 2: 22:04

I think it's impossible to win all the time. Yeah, impossible. Yeah, nobody win all the time, but it's how you bounce back. You're gonna know to lose too. Understand something you got just know to lose. You got know to fall, because when you know to break your fall, you're going to injure yourself so you can get back up and bounce back easier. So you got also fall to learn how to fall, to learn how to bounce back from the fall. That's a fact. You got know to break your fall. Remember, fall up yourself, nah. Nah, it's a long way down. It's a long way down. It's a long way down. Yeah, you gotta watch where you're stepping, so you gotta. You know, like I said earlier, I learn from people mistakes a lot, especially in the music space, certain things.

Speaker 1: 22:43

So I just yeah, do you like creating the music more or performing it? Uh, creating, creating, yeah. And what's your creative process like? Do you hear a beat, write a song. Uh, you write lyrics.

Speaker 2: 22:54

You continuously write lyrics and you match the lyrics to a beat well, the inception of matt stoney, before I actually introduced myself to like the scene as an artist, it was my family was writing a lot of lyrics and then when I hear the beat I try to fit it to the beat.

Speaker 2: 23:10

But then, after you know my family like, develop over the years, change, you know, progress. For some it might the years changed, you know, progressed, for some it might be regressive, subjective, but I would say progressed to the point where I always wanted an authentic sound and I never wanted my songs to really sound the same. So I find that when I hear the beat, the production, I would tailor the sound to fit the pockets in the beat, so kind of just mesh well with the production and it just give me a different sound. So all my songs they may really sound in the same because, let's say, I write a bunch of tune and like similar cadences, similar, like you know, tone, all these things like when I hearing myself like recording the song on the beat. Now I could switch the tone, I could switch the flow pattern, I could switch the cadence, I could write to how the producer let out the beat.

Speaker 1: 23:56

I feel what you're saying.

Speaker 2: 23:57

It's easier for me because everything goes in bars, so it's like a beat on a four bar but it's four to eight. So I tailor the hook with these four to eight bars and double it based on the structure of the beat. So it actually increased the production rate of me building songs. I got you.

Speaker 1: 24:12

I got you man, you say you're not the main protagonist without a hit to let you know. So I'm asking you now when you write how you Mean you know that was a hit directly. This gonna go.

Speaker 2: 24:25

Well, how you Mean actually was like we was on the block just schooling, you know, doing some recreational activities at the time, and I was just freaking like with bigs them, and so that would demand sound like yo. You got a rapper and I said, how you mean, I bet you ain't got a lighter, what you mean, I bet you ain't gonna wait. How you mean they were ball up then no, and that was like the dialogue. And then I was like just had to put melody to just the dialogue and I was like SK, I don't know how you mean Like you're just SK slangs, you feel me.

Speaker 2: 24:59

And then when I went to the studio, now I only had the chorus and maybe a piece of the first verse. The song was not structured at all. I just had the chorus. And then when I was in the studio, now the beat running, finding the vibe, and then Rodney actually was in the studio while I was recording the song and then I was like yo, you wanna hop on this, you wanna put a verse on this, and then the rest is history the rest is history magic.

Speaker 2: 25:22

But after recording this song, like when it was mixed and everything, like I knew it was a hit like off rip, like I actually left the studio with the song on a pen drive them times. Um, dj yadi used to play Potential big up Yadi. I actually gave him this song. He drag it off, put it on his laptop, but he didn't play it. You understand, that's how we got noticed to Yadi and not like that.

Speaker 2: 25:42

That's like up and coming story. As a young artist, you feel me a lot of the young guys go through. It's a part of the game. Tat Tat asked me Bastogne, you know what? You had the tone and I was in potential and me hearing the tone, me hearing what's going on. So I was like, yeah, word Went to Envy and Sensio was in there and I had this idea. I was like you know what, I'll cut a dub for Sensio. You check, I'll cut an exclusive dub plate for Sister Sensio. And when Sensio pulled up that tone there in Envy, india in envy, when time envy was envy, you feel me, yeah, india get level.

Speaker 2: 26:20

And that's when y'all didn't realize well, yo, he come to me and he actually was like yo, I want that song. Now I'm like yo, bro, this is the same tune I actually gave you. You know you were the first person to get this tune, the first dj. He just goes to show you how life works sometimes. So eventually he started to play it and everything. But he got full circle. You feel me. So, man, really like someone else, probably would I give up and feel like they ain't good enough or the product ain't good enough, but you just gotta repackage it and remarket it again and yeah, that's what I did.

Speaker 1: 26:46

I think it's actually powerful that you said that, because I hear a man say one time that, long story short, he had a man he was looking for diamonds, right, and he had a garden full of diamonds but he didn't know they were diamonds because they look like rocks until you clean them off. Correct, if you were saying, but sometimes somebody's gotta come in and say, hey, you got something special here for other people to really get you know. I mean, catch that. So momentum is important and I feel like you gotta keep that.

Speaker 2: 27:08

Yeah, correct, and I feel like you know them, them early lessons is just all them. Things shape me, like my personality, my mentality is like once I know you're good. Like I said, the consumer sometimes don't know what they want, yeah, until you give it to them. And while you're giving it to them, now it might be we, we as artists, in our experimental phase and stages. So we're pushing out different content, different sound, different material. And somebody might be like, oh, I like the last song better than this song. But then six months down the line, the song what they didn't like, they like that song more than the song what they like before, because now the song being played a lot, you're hearing it, you're hearing it all the time. It's working in marketing, and not only that.

Speaker 2: 27:50

You might hear this song when you're in a different mood, a different headspace, and it resonate now different, whereas when you was in a different capacity, maybe your favorite track, now you was in a familiar setting and you like it for that. So music sometimes need time. So I feel like people even myself I don't know all the time I gonna like half the songs that I like. Sometimes I hear a track like yo, this man, oh where, what is this. But then when I'm in the club, I hand him a juice, something different, something different Vibes, yeah, yeah, so that's what I learned, like coming up, you know, like I curate music, like for different feel, different settings and different demographic and different people.

Speaker 1: 28:30

Vibes man.

Speaker 2: 28:36

You vibes man, you make how you mean, before or after. Which black guy is thinking skunk, like that was before a question? You know, nobody never asked that question. Fun fact, the skunk was made before.

Speaker 2: 28:43

How you mean okay but how you mean which, when the skunk was doing anything, because the skunk I was probably my first big hit like notoriety hit, like we're playing in every club, every care in the streets and so, but the growth of how you Mean was faster than this skunk. Ah, ok, because I actually had to work the record a lot longer, in the sense of you have an original version. A lot of people may not know this. They probably think like Big Up Chemist, big Up Highlight. They probably think like big up chemist, big up highlight. They probably think the version with highlight is the original.

Speaker 1: 29:16

That's the remix version as one of them people, because I didn't know that you understand.

Speaker 2: 29:23

Yeah, that's the remix, you feel me. So, chemist, had happened it and you know, highlight with you know his greatness again, he gonna add visibility also to the record and that's why you end up become like a cultural song. To this day, this skunk check which black guy. This thing is skunk and again he's asking a question. I like to ask questions, you feel me. Yeah, yeah, like, let, if you tell me which black guy says a debate, so I just put it out there and let people debate which black guy this thing is, so that in itself is a marketing tool, because everybody debating noise we got no, we got it and that was going on around when that you enjoy.

Speaker 2: 29:59

You don't know the energy. You was around yeah, and but, like I said, how you mean came like we have to discount and but you just blow up fast because I learned different like marketing tactics and strategies. Like I said, I've got some dub plates and djs get dub. They. They feel a sense of responsibility, maybe to play the music a little bit more because you know he personalized to them it's exclusive, it's exclusive.

Speaker 2: 30:27

Who don't like exclusive shit? I like it, I love exclusive. You feel me, son? Yeah, lifestyle, but yeah, you feel me. But yeah, that's that's what I did.

Speaker 1: 30:37

I found different formulas and different strategies and just work with what worked for me and every now and again you just add things to the toolkit and you're going and you say, okay, this is, this is the speciality tool that I need for this let me implement this. It's the brush okay, all right, finishing touches. I like that. Yeah, on the same note, though, what you think that that did for your career and just the reception in. Many of you want to say it's just reception in general.

Speaker 2: 31:02

Okay, great question again, because how you Mean was the first song to be, I would say, recognized internationally in the sense of being featured by an accredited publication such as Hot New Hip Hop.

Speaker 1: 31:16

Ah man, that's major, Especially in that time.

Speaker 2: 31:19

Come on, man, it's a different time. Yeah, that's a different time. That was where we get like the new mixtapes, the Lil Wayne's, the everybody. So for me to wake up and see like an article by the author name was Angus Walker, yeah, Shout out to Angus man.

Speaker 2: 31:34

Yeah, shout out to Angus, wherever you're in the world, if you ever see this, bro Love, and the way, how you know, just the journalism and how he articulate himself in the piece. He just I was like yo, are you reading about myself? Speak to you different, different I like. This is what this person is hearing from me and just even sometimes it make you look like you know, like, um, I never was talked about in the later, be featured in the later, you know, and it's just a stranger I'm a different walk of life.

Speaker 2: 32:06

I'm a different spectrum. Like give me that opportunity and that look, without knowing me, just offer like what he like to hear. That that kind of hit different for me, for me, and kind of let me motivate me to just do me. Because that person is out there, you're just saying, right, yeah, your fans out there in different spaces. You just gotta lift up the rocks and pull them out.

Speaker 1: 32:26

Yeah, check it out.

Speaker 2: 32:27

That way the marketing come into place.

Speaker 1: 32:29

You check I feel you. I feel you and I always say still like you never know what the thing gonna be. That gonna be the catapult to take you to the next level yeah, correct.

Speaker 2: 32:37

And to turn and saying that question, how you mean, like I would say, like he made, made me a household name in the scene, you feel me like, you know, like with this skunk you get one hit. Can he do it again?

Speaker 2: 32:47

yeah and I tapped that one there. You feel me without a doubt, without a doubt. So he was like, yeah, that one was like the stamp of approval and also at the time he had some negative um connotations towards, like the content of the song, because I'm talking about weed and whatever. So I don't know me being at the age, he was like a teenager.

Speaker 2: 33:07

See, people forget that I'm just a kid when I step out, bro. I'm just a kid experimenting. I understand I was just a kid experimenting, you understand. But I was just doing it. Well, but some felt like I probably maybe was encouraging marijuana usage or whatever. But ain't that I always had a foresight. I never used to preach legalization, but decriminalization why the difference?

Speaker 2: 33:30

because legalization the local and the small farmers won't make money from it. It's just the institution and the system going to reap more. So they benefit from the exportation, et cetera, et cetera. And it's just people who, you know, already got the funds, the finances to purchase large land so they could grow in like a larger scale, you know, et cetera. So you're going to cut out the smaller man. So I feel like, okay, if you decriminalize it and everybody doing the thing and you can't get penalized for it, everybody win. But then when you fully legalize it, which is cool also, but it's just that the small man ain't gonna really be making the big dollars from it because, the institution ain't gonna put him in place to reap the benefits and the small man gonna need the capital and he ain't got to go to the same.

Speaker 2: 34:13

He still got to go to the institution and he's still putting him in the same problems again. You got to get a loan, you got this, you got to borrow from them and you're working hard to pay back and you ain't really financial freedom and you ain't really run your shit, bro.

Speaker 1: 34:26

Yeah, no, I definitely feel that, man, and it's crazy. But I say all the time, a lot of people got but they ain't got no vision, because you got to be paying attention to see exactly what you just talk about.

Speaker 2: 34:35

Yeah, and I know the day would have come because anything that's if you got a stream of income right, Government won't tap into that. They just got a family later where to polish it up, to get to tap into it. It's just the system.

Speaker 2: 34:46

It is what it is you feel me, whether it's oil, whether it's gold Oxide, whether it's aluminum, whether it's uranium, vibranium, I don't care, they're going to tap into it. The man them going up, boy, what a boy. Them Green Lantern Planet for everything you understand. Yeah, kryptonite, they want it, they want it.

Speaker 2: 35:07

Yes, I just understand that well and just work out. You know, certain things are just bigger than me. But also, I'm going to be myself and voice my opinion because this I just started my show, bro, you can't tell me what to say, just censor me, that's all how do you think, like you, being such an introspective person, put it into your progression you see, I got two ears and one mouth for a reason, so I listen twice as much and then I feel like I don't say much.

Speaker 2: 35:27

So when I speak, people listen, you know, versus somebody who always talking, talking, talking. Oh yeah, he's talking. They really that's what he do, he talk, so they really take in what you're saying serious and I never wanted that to be me or my personality. That's not my personality. When I talk, you listen, yeah, when me talking, me talking, that's just who I am.

Speaker 1: 35:44

So so when, when you do get it talking, you know you're saying something. I'm saying something.

Speaker 2: 35:49

I mean what I say and I say what I mean I feel you understand. So, with the introspection, like it helped, helped, you know, with, like I said, self-personal development, I get to challenge myself more. I'm not my strengths, I'm my weakness and I get to, like, attack certain fears and, you know, play it out. It's like a safe space because you wouldn't know what my fear be. You understand Only me know, and I spend time with it, realizing this, my fear. And I might say say, okay, coming on this podcast might have been one of my fear, not saying it is, but I'm here, I'm facing it, you feel me.

Speaker 2: 36:23

So by me spending time with myself, I learn what make me take what I like to do, what man like to do, um, energy, like who I like to be around, who man like to be around like I just separate a lot of things. When it's maybe sports time, I got my sports friends. When it's music time, I got my music peers. When it's this I got, I don't really like to mix up like, so you curate the spaces, and you got your based on how you're feeling, what's happening at the time?

Speaker 2: 36:42

yeah, because I feel like you know I keep relation. It's better, healthier relationships that way. I agree, who had to live with that? You don't contaminate the circle, we don't want cross contamination yeah, yeah, cross pollination. Yeah, a favour, yeah, yeah, cross pollination.

Speaker 1: 36:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's understandable, because that's when shit dig a little hair while you're still to win. You know what I mean. Yeah, separation is good sometimes, man.

Speaker 2: 37:03

It's good to keep everybody sometimes where they're at, and I just go over by this bridging house. You ever go in and you understand, because that's the feel for me. And okay, here you got the fighting game again, where this virgin can only play fighting, and I find that life just simpler that way, because you ain't forcing people to change or come out of the bubble to be uncomfortable in another space. Just you know to be buddy, buddy, go out and get along like that.

Speaker 1: 37:28

I mean, believe in that you just talk about basically creating spaces right. Creating spaces right. Who is two. Are your favorite people to collaborate with? It could be artists, it could be producers you know anybody in the space or you, being a musician, I never really think about who is two okay, I like to collaborate with.

Speaker 2: 37:45

So let's, let's just look at music, let's skip this one music. It might be easier for me to answer. Um, in terms of music, I feel like I have natural chemistry like me and Zoo got good chemistry. I like working with Zoo because Zoo now does actually bring me back into rapping again. I like my dancer vibe and that kind of hybrid flow, that trap, hybrid dancer, hip hop kind of vibe. I like that space there. So whenever Zoo send a file, I'll be like okay, I get into rap again, I get into rap again. Yeah, you check it out.

Speaker 2: 38:17

So that was actually bring out to me and I feel like you know, tat, tat, me and Rodney got natural chemistry. Like you know, people every time me and Rodney like probably do our show and they feel like natural, yeah. And if there's one more honorary mention, I would say Dose, j-dose, I I would say those jadoska. I feel like that's like the younger version, I mean in his own unique way when it comes to music. Like, when it comes to music tone, vocal tone, delivery, lyricism, capability, those three artists is natural chemistry. Oh, and highlight natural chemistry, car I could just send a file and get back like it's nothing. It's natural chemistry with me and chemist work. So I have like a niche again, small group of people who I work with. We are just enjoy, like have we been working for years. So you just come like natural. Now you feel me like they know all right, one stone. He sends something. He's serious, yeah, yeah, this man just don't, and I track every month, every week or wherever you feel me.

Speaker 1: 39:11

So when this man sends something, yeah, it works, I get done and mean you just mentioned four phenomenal artists in their own, all of them different. Yeah, everybody got their lean and how they operate. But what's crazy is I had my two people, which is Zu and Dos yeah, and you know that's just called like another person, yeah, another person and seeing them and put the thing together and when you guys do music together, it's very seamless, very effortless. I mean, all the people that you mentioned, that's how it is, but just the two that I had in mind just because we got that personal relationship, because I know them and I interact with them more frequently.

Speaker 1: 39:45

And a follow up question to that is would you ever do like a collaboration tape?

Speaker 2: 39:49

yeah, yeah, definitely, like, definitely, like, definite, because, like I said, if we take it back in time, I did a collaboration tape with abby the mayor the new sk.

Speaker 1: 39:57

Yeah, that's true, you did you understand.

Speaker 2: 39:59

So I, yeah, I, I, I bought, you know, collaborating once it makes sense. I don't like to force anything, though, like you see how me and you hear reasoning, we kind of have to go sit and have a conversation and reason, you know, for us to then materialize a collab project, me and feel like I could do a collab tape from email, I mean it can happen, but it just won't. Really the fans wouldn't know. First and foremost, they wouldn't know. For me personally, yeah, nah, I would want got the conversation and got a kind of relationship with the person, whether it's during the creating process of the project. Yeah, we got at least, you know, chill, bang, a drink. Reason, because I feel like it'll resonate in the music more, you'll hear like the chemistry more, versus when you know you just send a file here and there. It's like all right, it sounds good, decent, but you ain't really feeling that unison, that synergy and the track. So, yeah, I would definitely do a collaboration tape to tie back in.

Speaker 1: 40:55

And finally answer the question yes, nah, definitely, man, and I feel like we do a little bit of that tonight, just on coincidence, because we're trying to get something to eat. That's really what it was, and during the time getting something to eat.

Speaker 1: 41:05

We had conversations and like I tell you on the balcony man, like I know you for a long time, having the conversation with you tonight is like man, like I'm not off him, yeah, I love the music, yeah, and I see the person around, yeah, but really talking to you and sitting down and having a conversation. I met Masood, that's what.

Speaker 2: 41:21

I feel Correct, correct, you know what I mean. I see.

Speaker 1: 41:22

Stoney all the time, yeah, yeah yeah. I met Masood today, man in a like a fun experience to make.

Speaker 2: 41:41

Man like just making this song uh that's a good question, because I feel like that's such a tough question because every song have like a moment, like something surrounding it, so I'm actually trying to pick a good one like oh Yumi was a good moment, run Drinks was a vibe too.

Speaker 1: 42:02

Oh man, that's a hit, that's a soaker hit, bro 420 Party. I think that was a good time too.

Speaker 2: 42:10

That was a good vibe too. Let me just pick one. Let me say Shoulda had A Care.

Speaker 1: 42:14

Shoulda had A Care. Yeah, that one one, let me say Shoulda.

Speaker 2: 42:15

Had A K, shoulda had A K yeah, that one gonna come left field but Shoulda had A K. I remember like the whole vibe, like the feeling like when I first saw that clip and like it was going viral with the intro I used and certain things like the whole. I remember the whole vibe, like around it, it and when freestyling this song, like my boy, nick, was calling, and like your reaction to it when I was freestyling it, you know I was like you got Ricardo on, you know, yeah, so it's just yeah. We was in like upstairs, like when my apartment got empty apartment so we used to just cool up there and wave and, yeah, just vibing. We actually got video footage of that and all that's crazy.

Speaker 2: 42:54

The, the, the process sides. I would say, yeah, it was a fun time and I was actually well in the vibe, like creating, manifesting, should. I had a kick. I'm also like freestyle most the songs them and then add structure to them after, ah, okay, yeah, okay, okay, the best songs them was from a freestyle and structure added okay, the hits, I should say the hits.

Speaker 2: 43:15

Come that, yeah, yeah, the family, the family.

Speaker 1: 43:18

And the same like point, because I was talking to you earlier about just the creativity, the innovation. Like to see this clip going viral and even though you use it as inspiration, it's just organic in a way. Like if you never see that clip, the viral clip, like you wouldn't even know, like this is just a thing that a man pulled from something that happened randomly and just I make it into a song.

Speaker 2: 43:39

Make it into a song Like yeah.

Speaker 1: 43:41

And that same note is like I wanna ask you about the adlibs right, cause we went to Imari tonight and the first thing the girl said when she see you is I need ammo. Yeah, you check like that's a. That's the first thing popping into your mind. Give the people the context of where that comes from.

Speaker 2: 43:56

Well, when I actually was like, okay, we're going to make you stand out as an artist in this scene Saying it's a nevis and ad-libs, nobody really was doing ad-libs and I have a friend named Jakima Fleming. We went to CFB together and, fun fact, I always got to big up Jakima because she played a little pivotal role, a part of the story as well, because I'm going to tie it back into the ad-lib question and Mary, but I'm just taking it down memory lane a little bit.

Speaker 2: 44:24

She actually signed me up for a show your talent event at CFBC in the common room and I and the corridors, and so daily, you know, battle bring me stripes, you know. And she signed me up, like without me knowing, and then while we just there calling me and Maddie, and so we there calling, I hear me near my lungs, you know, next to Profarm, so I see her come up to me like yeah you're going to Profarm and I like, huh, you don't Profarm.

Speaker 2: 44:51

Yeah, you don't Profarm perform what you mean. So she was like man, now you got this. Like you're talented, like just show them what I know yoga pretty much.

Speaker 1: 44:59

You check yeah speaking of power into you.

Speaker 2: 45:02

Yeah, bro, and I like she used to call me, uh, madino. Yeah, she said Madino, don't let me down. You know, don't let me down, don't let me down. When you see this, do her homework. Just scroll right down to like my first ever uploaded video. Nah, man.

Speaker 1: 45:22

They ain't gonna do that.

Speaker 2: 45:23

I gonna get that and I gonna put it oh yeah, okay, okay, okay, I got you. Okay, yeah. So you guys gonna actually see what I'm talking about right now.

Speaker 2: 45:30

And then I went up and yeah it was her vibe, and then the rest was history from there. And now to turn to the ad lib, she, she was like. You ever heard of this artist named Chief Keef? Of course, that's what she said to me Bang, bang. But I didn't know Bo Chie, I didn't even know Chief Keef existed, bro. Yeah, I went to him now and type it in on YouTube. God damn, you know, you're going home to use your computer. Good old days we used to look forward to going home to use the computer, check it out. So, yeah, you got home on youtube now typing, and I just end up down a rabbit hole, my boy, yeah, I just be a gbe content, glory boys content, that is like. But what stood out now is the ability to make the ad libs, them, stand out, because so so you hear, so bang bang.

Speaker 1: 46:18

That's the first thing I said when you say it.

Speaker 2: 46:19

Sosa, sosa baby. You understand so, because I'm kind of a jovial Comedic person In the private life here in Chexhouse. Yeah, them is the things that I would freak about in the tune. So I'd be home, I'd say Bang, bang, sosa baby. Yeah, now me remember the lyrics To this song. You know, but I remember song you know. But I remember all the adlib them and I was like yo, there's different gravy right here. And then I said I need adlibs that represent mud stony. When you hear adlib you're supposed to know about that stony and the track, even if you ain't familiar with the song, because it might be in a different tone, a different delivery, it might be a different genre yeah but from you hear the ad lib, you know who it is, you know who it is.

Speaker 2: 47:03

So then that became like a marketing tool of mine's. We are now. I also find that the ad libs them stood out in such a way. We are one, a popular one is better run yeah you understand, and people just see me and just say better run. People see me and be like how you mean.

Speaker 1: 47:19

Yo, you know it's a crazy though Now that you say all of that. He had one time this is years ago, this is before Mally had studied when we used to lay him under the thing there by the garage right and you come down the road and when you're back in the corner, Mally said I need what guy in hand? So I'm watching it, like okay, I mean like it's a disconnect, yeah, yeah, yeah, you check and it's like to your earlier point where the adlibs just resonate a different type of way. And that's your.

Speaker 2: 47:50

That's an identifier for you yeah, because when Flipper, when Flipper say Flipper, he be like wallet, that's a me and flip thing. He said wallet you you know.

Speaker 2: 48:01

So it's like Adlib's like showcase my personality, like I feel, like that's how I showcase my personality and my jovial side in music and, to answer your question, the irony that more he actually came from. Well, growing up I was a gamer, like playing video games, and I actually had this game called Battlefield. I think we used to play Battlefield. Yeah, exactly, yeah, we'd walk on Battlefield a couple of times, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it had this, the operative whenever, like, your partner would get injured, get shot, whatever, you could actually go in and hit. Some commands like I need a medic, I need a medic, you know. Like I need backup, yeah, like I need backup. Yeah, and one of them was I need ammo. I can hear the man right now actually literally. So, yeah, playing the game so much like when the chain man I hear, like I always use to spam, I need ammo, I need ammo, I need ammo, I need ammo.

Speaker 2: 48:53

I need ammo, throw me some ammo so playing amongst my circle, my friend circle, grew up. Now they be like yo, but yo you can't stop gunning man saying that all the time. Like you, become a nine to them. You check, bro, like I love it fun for me.

Speaker 2: 49:09

Like every time, the girl like I need ammo, I need them. Man like but who you to be killing, sir? Who you shooting, sir? All the time, like you, you're always running out. I'm going to stop running Guns blazing Like weird, god, that's me. I'm just running in. Yeah, I ain't following no rules.

Speaker 2: 49:24

Just empty the clip and double back. Empty the clip and respawn and double back again. Yeah, so after doing that, so much you know and I chose. I was like I need ammo and the rest was history from there. But that's where I pretty much like get the idea for that ad lib from.

Speaker 1: 49:40

that's interesting man, you know, one thing that's been consistent throughout this whole conversation is you being exposed to something and then turn it into something creative. That's something you've been doing like all your life.

Speaker 2: 49:50

Yeah because it's good to be unique and be different. You feel me like how can you out, how can you stand out? And I got a line in a tune where I said maybe it's an unreleased, but I said, even when they sit, I stand out. That's a bad man, that's a fucking bad. So it's like it's just we are people free, afraid to be different. I strive for that.

Speaker 1: 50:10

And again, you mentioned fear. Can you say something to me earlier that was super powerful, that I can definitely take to the heart, where you say I'd um, identify the fear and then I coach it out. And like that to me is so powerful, right, because, I tell you earlier, we in the matrix and there's a lot of mental games, right? And you need that mental fortitude and be able to, like you said, sit with yourself and take that introspective dive. Where do you think that come from, though?

Speaker 2: 50:46

Because what you said you just say it a different type of way um, that now come from, like I would say like migrating. When I did move to ny, yeah, that shit was like remember like how old I was when I moved back, probably 22 or something like that 20, early 20s, right, and just transitioning into like, okay, bye, big man, I never pay rent before. Like I gonna just sorry to say it, you know, but I just talk in my true like I'm bigger than my parents then and come from a good home and so, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they did. Well, so at the end of the day, like I wasn't exposed to paying rent at a young age, yeah, so in the Caribbean, we don't really, you know, and if we want to move out with parents and go wherever but they don't show us out and they don't run us we normally build a space and add on to the family house. Without a doubt, that's how we get on, because home is home. You feel me? I want the Sunday food. I want the Sunday food, I want my pie.

Speaker 2: 51:32

Yeah, so now leaving my habitat, now, you know, going out there and you know like, you know, so family members, like, but you gotta learn how to swim on your own. Yeah, new york, you feel me this will be a chicken. Yeah, you know, I had to jump out and live on my own, get me an apartment and these things working like two jobs, and these things too, like just pay your rent you're just doing two jobs, just to pay your rent and loan. So I just had to man up real quick and, like you know, get down and do what I gotta do and just pivot. Actually, that's one of my favorite words, then, because I feel like that's also another word that represents me as somebody who, like you know, know when to and how to pivot when it's necessary A checker don't stay the same and that tie back into being a multifaceted artist and just a unique individual altogether.

Speaker 2: 52:15

Unique individual altogether. So, you know, I just had to like adapt and I feel like I does adapt well to my environment, seeing that the end coming up in like newton you feel me like newton in a real, in a soft swap community, bro, you understand it. Like he prepare you, you know, to be able to maneuver in different environments. So, you know, just going like the culture and being able to, you know, navigate you help a lot for me. Oh yeah, big facts, man. Yeah, so that was just the yeah, that was it.

Speaker 1: 52:44

For me it's important that you say I know you just kind of gloss over it a little bit, but I just want to go back to the fact that you say he was working two jobs, yeah, just to pay the rent, and I think that is important to just hop on the fact that ain't a better roses out there. And when you get out, there is you and and you regardless of who with you.

Speaker 2: 53:00

Yeah, you can remember telling my mother, like my mommy, you want to move back home. You know my mother tell me, but me you know who you're talking to on the phone. You know, but me, you is no punk. Your mom's a G for that man, but that's what you need to. Yeah, she said just stuff it out and wherever she could assist me, she would assist me understand.

Speaker 1: 53:22

Yeah, yeah, it's a big up, mamsy all the time.

Speaker 2: 53:24

Nah, for sure, for sure. That's like me. Role model, you feel me.

Speaker 1: 53:27

Nah, man, it's amazing to hear you say that, bro, because I used to assume that everybody Comes from a home like that you know what I mean when you got love in the home, and that's not always the case and you won't not until like, you got conversations with other people and what I noticed too is money ain't necessarily got anything to do with it, because you could come from a home with money but not love correct, and the love does nurture you in such a way, and that's something I didn't even notice until my mother passed away. If you are saying that, condolences again, appreciate you, bro. It's like just that watering you to say, hey, I got me powder you regardless, but there's city light in you To not to keep Motivating your cars. Yeah, this one, he gonna do something, if he decide to do something.

Speaker 2: 54:07

Yeah, because you know what it is, bro. It's like What'll keep me humbled and grounded too, because so, like you know, like your parents would like Set out a Plan in their head for you yeah, right, and you might go rogue and do your own thing and find your success your own way, right, yeah, so it's always like. It's like a humbling yeah, as, despite what's going on in music, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 54:31

Yo, you just.

Speaker 2: 54:33

You don't go do this, how you don't go do that, it's like None, it's like none of this was happening.

Speaker 2: 54:39

Really Like man, I'm not saying Reggie Stein or Shane, no, we're going on but it's like it matter to her, so it's like she care about other stuff and just like sometimes hearing that is like motivate you to not stick to one thing you know, like and I believe like the biggest honor you could be, just honor your parents in a mistake, like I feel like you know I can't please all the time, all the time kind of unruly and do my own thing now and again because I'm my own individual, but I would listen and I feel like just even like you know she might be like, but you know, dummy, where does go back to school, get a degree or do something Like just keep me grounded, bro man, I'll explain it.

Speaker 2: 55:23

Like I never get too lost in the sauce, like that's important. Like like the artist vibe, like she are, like people around me pull me back to reality like real quick. Like I never feel like yeah, no, I feel I always feel like just a normal individual. If I'm up on the project like, so some people like would react differently maybe when, what are you doing here? What you doing here, what you doing here, you understand, but sometimes you don't forget, like artists, I use this public figure or this individual so people sometimes might view you in a different light, that you ain't even viewing yourself you know, I mean, we carry the conversation a little bit off track, but yeah just, I mean, everything you're saying is relevant and insightful.

Speaker 1: 56:01

So we, we write on topic, man, the questions is just to spark it, man, to be honest, and you, you talk about doing your own thing and finding success. Well, what does success mean to matt stoney?

Speaker 2: 56:13

success to matt stoney is accomplishing everything that I set out to accomplish. So success to me is a personal. I don't know if I want to share what is success to Matt Stoney, because it's a part of my superpower, my mystique, because, remember right, how can you gauge me if you don't know what he's trying to attain, what his version of success is, and you won't be able to compare me to anybody else or compare my version of success to the next man, because success is um subjective I agree.

Speaker 2: 56:47

So I believe that I already win, because the things that I said I gonna do since high school, I did it I mean to that same point.

Speaker 1: 56:57

Patrick does tell me all the time, bro, remember that we're already successful we are already so.

Speaker 2: 57:02

So sometimes we need to calm down and like because I think of it like success is measured when you're comparing it, right. So it's like you put you next to our drink champs. You may seem like you're successful, yeah, right, but you compare you to the space that you're in yeah, with what you're doing and the quality of content you're providing. Like in a comparison, you're successful already. It's just that you know the audience ain't tuned in to what happening right now and this gonna be a time stamp and a testimony to the success of the show. Appreciate and I'm saying it with conviction you feel me Like are you just sleeping? Are you sleeping? Are you awake up yet to what you're going on? You understand? So, like I said, success is what you set out for it to be and your individual targets that you may not even share with people, because you can't really share too much of things with people because I got forces fighting against me. So, like I said, success for me is um, getting to accomplish my personal goals.

Speaker 1: 58:06

I think that you you actually answered the question how I wanted the question answered, because the idea was to make sure that people understand that success is an internal metric, like you gotta dictate you think I was important to you because I find a lot of the times people they'll be using the wrong metrics, and I think it's I don't remember who's I think it's.

Speaker 1: 58:24

I think it's. Albert Einstein actually said that if you were to measure the ability of a fish by its ability to ride a bicycle, the fish would live its entire existence thinking that it's dumb because it's not meant to ride, but it's made to swim, yeah, so if the fish don't know. He's supposed to be swimming because everybody's saying he's supposed to ride a bike.

Speaker 2: 58:45

You can live your whole life not realizing the superpower exactly. I understand so me, like you know off camera, you know we share a lot of things. I could say like, yeah, it's a level of success for me personally I just don't want to share with people.

Speaker 2: 58:58

You you feel me? Nah, facts Mine are business. I'm supposed to know everything. We just going to go there like everything I'm supposed to know he's a love band, but ain't everything we can tell them, because then they try to like free you different and you understand. So, yeah, I feel like I'm very successful and hitting the target that I set out to hit, like years ago, and to even be sitting down here over 10 years having this conversation about the inception of Matt Stone is just a testament. Like come on Full circle moment, man, full circle moment. And we said we would have this dialogue like years ago. Yeah, without a doubt.

Speaker 1: 59:36

It's like you said, man, this happened so organic, like we picked the day and just how the whole vibe went to set up the conversation that we have it now, because the dialogue we had before this to me set the premise and give me a better insight into who Mads Tony is, who Mads Masood is yeah, correct, before I actually sit down with the individual to have this conversation, and I think the background that you provided prior to this was extremely helpful for me. Yeah, because it gave me a sense of your thought process and into how you think about things, how you approach things, and you drop a lot of gems. I have camera that I wish I had, yeah, to be completely honest with you, but you drop so much more gems here today. You know, I mean on camera, and I know the next time we sit down again it's gonna be the same thing. I just got a few more questions. Yeah, no problem.

Speaker 1: 1:00:20

Before we get out of here, I kind of want to go back to the creative side a bit, and I was telling you about omnipotent earlier and I feel like it's just an exceptional body of work, like top to bottom. It's short and sweet, ain't too long needle, so sometimes I find myself like I spin it three times back to back and not even really realize I don't want it. Two turns back to back until I get to one. But soccer again is like oh dad, it's the third time you gotta be the job of this track man and I just want to ask you where the name came from for the tape omnipotent, uh, the name came from like just years of doing, years of being in the scene, the sk scene, and just doing it different.

Speaker 2: 1:00:56

And I could remember one time, like infamous I wrote he. He wrote Like I think it was after my first music festival performance and he explained about like the uniqueness, like how different I be like. It's like you know, like just a different vibe from you know, comparing to like any other, like artist before you know after, and just always being like spoke about in. You know that, just always being like spoke about in. You know that kind of like manner, yeah, just a sense of omnipotence. See me still, you feel me. It's like when it comes to like the genre, what I in like I just feel like I the omnipotent one. Because at the end of the day before me ain't nobody was like rapping with no saint kids accent my boy. Everybody was trying to sound like they found foreign or they found somewhere other than saying kids accent me by. Everybody was trying to sound like if I'm far enough, if I'm somewhere other than saying kids. Yeah, you understand, and I make a personal decision to say like no, I'm gonna sell culture to music. I want when somebody hear me for the first time, they wonder like, where are you from? Uh, what I mean? What does that mean? You feel me? So it's just, you're selling culture to music and I wanted to be the first mudstone In that. Like the next 50 cent, the next, like that shit, whack to me. Like me, want be like nobody, like that car in your check, like I just want be me, make my own mistakes, do it my way, carve my lane my way, because at the end of the day, oh, you're going to be a curator, an innovator, and you're following, you're following somebody. Nothing wrong with being inspired, because there's a difference, it's a big difference. You understand what I just was like my man, really want to sound like nobody. I want, I like, I believe in individuality, you understand, I believe like you know, like when you see me, you should know is me, like I said, dub myself six foot five and bony and fun fact, that was my first actual mixtape title and people just like would run with these things. People, you see me be like yo, six foot five and bony, you know kind of image branding where you see is where you know he's me, when you see he's me. So you know to tie back into the question all those things like you know over the years and like the love, what we get outside people. Oh, and, as in bailey, one time he referred to me as like this mythical kinder. He's like it's the name where you just know and you're, but sometimes it's like it's like the name or just you're not in here. It's like, oh, matt stoney, but some people be like I mean, you know it has an overseas artist or something. Yeah, check it out. So he just was like by it.

Speaker 2: 1:03:18

I was just in the energy of omnipotence, like I said, spiritual belief and background. So I feel like, when it comes to the genre and the space I wasn't operating in, based on the reaction, the reception, the features, you know, like the groundbreaking things I did within the genre never been done locally. Yeah, you understand, and that's just facts. You check locally. Yeah, you understand, and that's just facts, you check, it's documented. The truth is the truth, the truth is the truth. So I feel like I just perfect what the ones had started before me and just made it my own and yeah, that what made me like the omnipotent one within that genre, that space. You feel me facts and that's where you know, I come up with the title Omnipotent for the EP.

Speaker 1: 1:04:03

You mentioned multifaceted a couple times. Well, right, and it's obvious to see that you are. How did you decide to pivot into modeling, like if you want to? Briefly just briefly touch on that lifestyle, just lifestyle.

Speaker 2: 1:04:16

Yeah, right now, that is slang I've been using over, like the sugar baths, the candy bars.

Speaker 1: 1:04:21

That's the term for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you said something like lifestyle.

Speaker 2: 1:04:24

People feeling it right now. Yeah Look, I went, juvie in a white robe, bro, I saw you.

Speaker 1: 1:04:29

It's a stony thing. You're doing stony things, yeah yeah, stony things lifestyle.

Speaker 2: 1:04:32

I just do me, I just feel I do that. But people have been pressuring me to do that modeling thing for years now and again it was a fear to face and I just face it, like with one of the biggest brands in the world, like you understand. So it was easy for me because, like I said, it was just something I'm a fearless that I wanted to check off. I wanted to just venture out and expand like my portfolio. Yeah, because, fun fact I had an opportunity to be in like a short film movie, like years ago, and they sent me the script and everything. It was like this, like something like a web version of like top shuttles, like a rough kind of. So the script was tough, you feel me, and it was one of my feel and I didn't face that feel. Yeah, to like transition, like just being the artist. Like I always say, I want to be more than just an artist.

Speaker 2: 1:05:21

Madstone is a brand but at the time when the opportunity was presented remember like man's working two job, meaning like in the real mental state, to pursue like the arts, you feel me, yeah, I had to focus on like life shit. So my mental wasn't really there to compartmentalize like dealing with like real life and then venturing into an unknown field now which is like would have been acting for the first time yeah, I don't know like what tone of voice to use here like you know, like a winging it, bro, you feel me and I actually regret. I don't regret a lot of things, but I mean I regret not being strong enough to capture that opportunity in that period of time. So I always use that as an example to try to always face your fears.

Speaker 1: 1:06:08

That's a powerful message, man, like that's the one thing you've been saying tonight consistently that I just making mental notes about, because, like fears, I think they're going to always be around. So you got to be able to identify and kill the fear. Because a man said I hear a man say one time, like if your face your fears right, it can't inhibit you no more. You know what I mean. Because then the thing that was the boogeyman, if you pulled it, it's like watching an episode of Scooby-Doo man and they pull the mask off it's like in the inception of my career was like bright lights.

Speaker 2: 1:06:42

Yeah, shit, they make you sweat. Yeah, I was sweating bullets earlier, but I don't want hot yeah, but then eventually now fears they feel like on multiple occasions Now. I love the bright light, I love the big stage.

Speaker 1: 1:06:53

So do you still get nervous? Because you'll be out.

Speaker 2: 1:06:58

I know, you just know, you just got to do your thing. I mean like before, like as an early on in my career, of course I used to get nervous, but I come with like with time, experience, perfecting your craft.

Speaker 2: 1:07:08

To be honest, like relatively honest, the only sense of nervousness is like not being able to deliver to my full capability or potential that I know I have within, because I still feel like me really is a lot more to unlock when it comes to performance. Yeah, I love performing, like that's one of my strong points. Then you feel me, but I got so much more like okay, but in my head I is a rock star. I feel that Now I navigating within a space and a culture where I really know how to receive that. I know how to receive that, ah, know how to judge it, ah, whatever. You feel me. So sometimes you're still battling with like being yourself but like migrating to anywhere. You answer that help. You know your face, them fears a lot more. You check. You ain't had no choice. Yeah, me had no choice. I just had to pivot because you swim in the sharks. Now, boy, you understand on that same note.

Speaker 1: 1:08:00

Right, you say you love performing yeah you prefer an intimate setting like zoo and friends, or you prefer because I feel like it's a difference you can feel the energy from the crowd, of course, if you're on a big stage.

Speaker 2: 1:08:11

For sure it's a lot of energy hype and all of that.

Speaker 1: 1:08:13

But the smaller setting is more intimate.

Speaker 2: 1:08:15

I'm just going to show you the pros and the cons of that while you're navigating to it. Because the smaller setting now I could hear what you're saying in the car. Now I could more feel the energy because I'm more enclosed. You feel me, yeah, whereas now on a bigger stage, bigger production, it's like you've got stage monitors and all them things bouncing back into you, so I'm more hearing the quality of my voice and my sound.

Speaker 2: 1:08:37

I'm also hearing the audience yeah because it's real, it's real loud on the stage. So sometimes now you might be performing and you're getting a big forward and you can't even capitalize on it sometimes because you ain't really hearing it. That's crazy. It's when you're watching back the video from like the grungs you're like what happened? You were jumping shaking. I didn't Jumping shaking, I just say my name is Cricket. My main is that what's going on in the ground.

Speaker 2: 1:09:01

You feel me so when you're on a big stage. Now, that's why sometimes, if you see me perform, I like to level the band. I like to keep it at a moderate level when I'm performing a certain song, because I need to feel the crowd and interact with the crowd, because I like to feed off of the people. You feel me, I, okay, they're feeling this song, so I soak it. You feel me, yeah, okay, the vibe in it. This is a new song. They ain't really know it yet. They know how to receive it, okay. So, man, I soak that Trash. Can't put that to the back, but at least I introduce it, yeah. So I feel like to answer the question which one I prefer more. It all depends on the event defense, but, like the big stage car got more space to work with yeah, I prefer like I love the music festival stage because you know reason why I said I is this bro main on cap.

Speaker 2: 1:09:48

you're a champions league, right, and you got premier league, which one you would want your team win, I mean the football back as a champion. All right, car, you know why? Car the champions league is a league of champions, as the name suggests. Yeah, and as I say, it's like bigger league, more recognition, you know, like it's like Messi, them and Ronaldo playing corner league, bro, nah, yeah, and as I say, I mean view myself as like a, you know, corner league artist. Yeah, so I'm strive and aspire to be on like the biggest stage because I want to showcase my talent to the, to a large audience. Yeah, I want, you understand, market myself to more people. So when you back yourself and you believe in yourself, now you're not limit yourself to like say, I just want to go in this small setting because you're more comfortable, like I believe like comfort. I come from the devil devil to make people comfortable.

Speaker 1: 1:10:41

Yeah, I mean all the good that happen just outside your comfort level.

Speaker 2: 1:10:45

Oh, your comfort level. Comfort keep you stagnant? Oh, without a doubt, man, yeah. So anything that's too comfortable it's nice. But on to the next. I want to do bigger and better things. That's how you keep growing as an individual, but nevertheless I still love the intimate setting when I get to do it and like Zoan Friends was like one of the best in a long, long time. You feel me Other than like when I was coming up. When I'm doing like the clubs, because I was doing a lot of club, normally I was booking the club like every week or every other week. You feel me. Yeah, so the clubs. I love clubs at that time because of the intimacy. So, to add to your point, you know it serves its purpose. I feel like when you're on the, you know you're trying to make your name the incline. You feel me, but then after, when you're done, find yourself with a string of hits.

Speaker 2: 1:11:32

I want to hear an arena like oh you mean Ah right, that shit hit different when it's 5,000 people versus 300 people, 200 people, the el. Different when it's 5,000 people versus 300 people, 200 people, the elation, the feeling. You just like a sense of euphoria you feel me so I would say and I prefer the big stage boy, champions League Yo.

Speaker 1: 1:11:51

Zico, you used to tell me this shit all the time. Too tall to act small.

Speaker 2: 1:11:54

Yeah, boy, 6'5, superior complex. Even when I sit I stand out. Yeah, you understand like, yeah, and that's where I come from. I'm just too tall to think. Small too tall to act. Small too tall to react. Small man, it's just a tall complex. I wear like a tall outlook. You feel me? I definitely can relate.

Speaker 1: 1:12:14

Yeah, that's just my energy.

Speaker 2: 1:12:15

I feel like too tall to be whining about certain things. Yeah, too tall to be arguing too much books. It's just like a vibe, bro, like it's like a little barrier. Like yo, I feel like you look goofy if you're acting this way. Too tall to be acting that way? Yeah, yeah, it's just a vibe, I just like yeah it's been an immaculate pleasure, bro.

Speaker 1: 1:12:35

You know we're coming to the close right and the final question I love to ask is if people are only gonna see this last clip, like this is all they're gonna see. Where's one message you?

Speaker 2: 1:12:44

would have for the people.

Speaker 2: 1:12:46

One message I will have to the people if this is my last clip they're seeing yo, you don't ever think what we would say, what we last words would be. So that's a powerful question. But, based on how I live my life, I would just be like, yeah, we just live with love. We tell them don't be afraid to try, don't be afraid to fail, be different, dare to be different, be unique. You understand, you know, be an innovator and try to have more like positive outlook on anything you're doing and strive and look for solutions, because only solutions could combat and solve problems. So I feel like, if you live your life searching for solutions or trying to be a solution and always solve the problems, I learn how to navigate. You know when problems come your way, a check. So yeah, I feel like that way we live with the people. From the words, I'm at stony like, yeah, be a solution, not a problem powerful, powerful stuff, bro.

Speaker 1: 1:13:43

It's been like I said earlier, man, I know I was in stupendous company. It's been an immaculate conversation. I think you gave a whole bunch of insight that would be insightful to the people to know who mad stoney is, but also tools for people to use in their own daily lives, because you provide a lot of perspective, especially on the fear factor. Man, like it's so powerful that somebody of your stature and magnitude, like, taking the time to say, but yeah, I had fears too, but I still take a step forward and went and do my thing still and you hear in the flesh, living proof that you could self-actualize.

Speaker 1: 1:14:14

Like you said earlier, man, everything that you set out to do since high school you've been knocking, knocking them down. You know what I mean, and you gave some ideas about different things for the episode off camera. And one thing you said to me that also stuck with me is that you force other people to think big. That's the energy that you bring to the table, and it could be because of 6'5 and bony, but you know that's just the approach that you bring, bro, and it's been a stupendous pleasure to sit here with you, have this conversation, get to learn you and learn more about you and get to know you better and see the person and the gems that you drop here tonight was amazing, bro, like nothing short of phenomenal.

Speaker 1: 1:14:49

I actually like take away a lot of stuff from what you're saying. You know I'm going to internalize a lot of that and take my introspective journey myself. So I just want to thank you for coming on the platform, bro, and, you know, shedding your light here, because anyone may walk into your light up. You know I'm saying so. I appreciate you for taking the time bringing your light here. I'm looking forward to see what you do in the future. We definitely gonna have to have a part two but you're gonna be.

Speaker 2: 1:15:10

Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. Who knows, you might materialize into co-host one day. Remember we're doing it big.

Speaker 2: 1:15:16

Yeah, we have a big artist on this platform one day you understand, without a doubt, big alice artists doing an interview in saint kitts and nevis, they're gonna come and the ground, I mean, I'll make it happen. You feel me nah, right here. Like I said, thank you for having me, bro. My pleasure, man, it's a pleasure to be here having a conversation with the great judas hendrix. Yeah, you're gonna learn a lot about Judas Hendrix in time to come.

Speaker 1: 1:15:43

I appreciate that, man, but that's all the time that we got for today. Man, I can steal that line from it Is what it Is and say until next time, continue elevating. The only thing stopping you is you. The only limitations that you have on your trajectory is your imagination, right, and the only thing that's going to materialize that imagination is your works. They can't stop you, they can only hope to contain you. So just keep going. We out of here, man.

Speaker 2: 1:16:08

I need ammo.

Speaker 1: 1:16:09

I need ammo. I should have been oh man, I need a better one.

Speaker 2: 1:16:13

I was going to do it, but I did it again. I need ammo. Careful, dude man. They talk after closing Pussy. Me nah inna back and forth. Silly Willy, even illy know I am my life like captions, plenty code. You kaga ask me Shaq I been the goat. Like Conris, everybody take the boat. I be a bar and he vis take the boat. Who can swim better? Learn to float. They never had small days deep water port. They never went by scout can't tie nor rub. They can't plumb, can't tile, can't drill no hole. Only thing they care bout is Corky hole.